Part 12

turns out murdergames aren't always lighthearted fun

Content warning: This chapter contains graphic descriptions of suicide.
avunvain
so today zero compared a previous relationship of mine to the ann ran ship and i was forced to concede that this was
not wrong
Zerovirus
and on the note of that, TIME FOR MORE CHRONO JOTTER
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so last time we got kicked out of our recollections by being murdered. great! turns out this doesn't stop Ran Ibuki from going back to recollections anyways.
like, apparently, if you click just a few screens down, it throws you into the notebook again.
i guess in case we didn't investigate anything else.
not even an option to stop investigating!! the game's making us have that Conversation with Koizumi-Sensei whether we like it or not!
avunvain
i was the ann
and i did not
nightpool
* murder somebody over it
avunvain
afaik.
nightpool
afayk
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So Ran is going to have a conversation with Koizumi! Even though she has conflicting feelings about this!

Ran: (I don't know whether you prepared this recall for me to comfort me or to torment me.)

Ran: (With the way everything ultimately turned out, what's the point of having a conversation with Koizumi-sensei again?)

Ran: (But... I really do want to talk with her again, even if it's just in the recalls.)

Ran asks Tama to leave her and Koizumi alone for a while so they can have a conversation.

Ran: Because her injury was related to me, so I'd like to chat with Koizumi a little more.

Tama: Okay, then. I'll go find Asakura-san.

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And then that just leaves Ran and Koizumi.

Koizumi put her feet on the floor as she fidgeted nervously with her hair.

Ran sat down next to her, looking down at the floor. She counted the number of tiles on the floor, unwilling to speak first.

Koizumi: Ibuki-san? What's wrong?

Ran: Koizumi, uh... What if, what if you ultimately wound up becoming a teacher anyways? What would you think about that?

nightpool
great start, ran
really knocking out of the park with that one
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Koizumi lowered her hand, and turned her gaze away from Ran.

Koizumi: So Ibuki-san also does not believe that I have the power to refuse my parents' demands of me, then?

Ran: N-No!

Ran reached out in a panic and grabbed Koizumi by the shoulder, but Koizumi still refused to look at her.

Ran: I just meant, y'know, what if- I just wanted to know how you felt about teaching, itself.

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Koizumi: I don't really feel anything about it. Ibuki-san, you should understand that my reason to not want to be a teacher has nothing to do with the occupation itself.

Ran: I know... But, I mean, I'm sure you'd make a wonderful teacher.

Ran tried to smile as she spoke. To her, Koizumi Hyuga was, after all, certainly an incomparable teacher.

Koizumi: Even if that were the case, it'd still have been because I was forced to become a 'wonderful teacher', right?

Ran shook her head furiously.

She didn't want the time that she'd spent with Koizumi-sensei, before, to have been the result of coercion.

nightpool
tough shit ran!
avunvain
all is built on a bedrock of evil, ran!
nightpool
we love you ran, but you have to make peace with things you can't change!
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Koizumi: Not to mention, there's no way I'd make a good teacher or anything. All I know how to do is force myself to accept the things I dislike, and to complete my job. That's it.

Ran: But... I think-

Ran: Koizumi, you're both gentle and pretty. I know that any student would like a teacher like that.

Koizumi shook her head. The fingers of her hands had knotted themselves together into one single clump.

Koizumi: I don't know. I don't really like kids- and I can't really make a positive example of myself, either. Am I supposed to teach all of my students to be as gloomy as I am?

Koizumi raised her hands and grasped Ran's wrist. Even more evident than the few tears flowing from her eyes was the disappointment Ran could see in them.

Koizumi: Ibuki-san, to me, accepting my parents' requests isn't as simple as a matter of being forced to choose an occupation.

Koizumi: This is an opportunity for me to learn to refuse my parents, and to truly live in this world the way I'd like to live. Why are you trying to make me accept it after all?

Koizumi: If I fail this time, I'm sure that I'll find myself convincing myself to just accept things as they are, sooner or later, like a frog that's accepted the warm water of the heating pot.

Ran: But, Koizumi...

Koizumi: One of these days, my parents will tell me to marry some stranger, and tell me that things will work out after you get to know each other a bit, heating up the water just a little further.

Koizumi: And on that day, I'll truly lose the chance to change my life forever. Ibuki-san, I'm not strong enough that I can continue to struggle and fight even after I've already been mired.

Koizumi held Ran's wrist tightly, and smiled through the tears on her face.

Koizumi: I have to be able to grasp onto something, and to escape this mire that I've found myself in, before that day comes. ...So, please speak no further on this.

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But the truth that Ran had lived through told her, that in the end, Koizumi Hyuga had still failed. Her life had sunken into the mire and been covered by warm water, just as Koizumi had said it would.

Ran couldn't help her, and hadn't thought to go and do something for her, and had only used self-deceiving guilt to try to assuage those memories.

And now, this young Koizumi full of possibility and hope appearing before her, only reinforced the fact that her future was already unchangeable and carved in stone.

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Koizumi: There's no need to worry, though, Ibuki-san.

Koizumi: As I said yesterday, after having a conversation with you, I'm full of confidence. I'm sure I'll be able to explain to my parents that I'm not willing to become a teacher.

Ran had already heard those words yesterday. She did her best to nod.

Ran: Mm. I'm sure you can. Yeah.

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Ran: (Do you really think that this is necessary? Always making me looking at situations that could have gone differently, without actually letting me touch the timeline or making any kind of meaningful change.)

Ran: (I don't want to look at this anymore. I only want to observe those recalls which have the possibility of making a difference for the present situation. Please.)

And that's the end of that recall!
that's the last of the four blood-red recalls done! surely we've seen everything important there is now?
.... well, shit.
what else does the game want us to look at?? corpse investigation recalls??
(note also that the third recall option is just gone.)
(no more getting our head caved in by Unknown Murderers X!)
nightpool
I love Ran talking-to-the-notebook-as-talking-to-us
avunvain
something something twisted curiosity
something something completionism
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oh! there's a button to End the Recollection now!
i don't think that was there before.
so maybe we ARE done!
avunvain
something something undertale.
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...yeah, i think we're done here. i checked a random investigation recall and nothing was different.
i guess we've gotten all the evidence we could get. which is... i mean,
do you see a coherent culprit plus howdunnit theory??
i don't.
i hope ran is smarter than i am.
jjjqance
i've lost track of all the alibis and such
Zerovirus
use the log reader numbnuts thats what it exists for lol
nightpool
Makoto clearly did it, and Sai was the accomplice
the howdunnit is trickier.... some of the timing details are still confusing to me
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Ran closed the notebook, and ended the recollections.

Ran: (Feels like I've picked up on lots more clues. Tomorrow I'll reorganize all these clues with miss Sakura, and see if we can't get to the bottom of this incident.)

nightpool
😬.
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Ran: (Koizumi-sensei... if I can take miss Sakura out of here, we'll come visit you. I hope that when we see you, we'll find you happy- and alive.)

Ran goes to sleep.
nightpool
hope Ann doesn't try and kill us again!
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RAN'S BODY SITS UP TWO SECONDS LATER.

I opened my eyes, and perched on the side of the bed. Today was colder than all the previous days. I hoped Ran Ibuki wouldn't catch a cold.

IS IT TIME FOR THE EYEBALL FUCK AGAIN
nightpool
hey hey maybe Notebook-chan is just going out on a walk for NON eyeball related reasons
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Ran?: She just finished a recall. She's very tired, and she needs rest. You should go.

It didn't speak. The head-like organ simply pulsed at me with an inconsistent frequency.

IT'S EYEBALL FUCKASS
jjjqance
sup bro
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The sound of revolving stellar bodies erupted with greater force than the last time, and the stars that hovered between the spherical masses that made up much of its lower body glimmered with faint light.

I imagined that was where the sound was coming from.

Ran?: I'm pretty sure I know what it was that you did, but I don't really know why.

[Protection]

Ran?: Oh, sure, protection. I've seen plenty of entities like you, who've described their actions towards Ran as 'protection', while secretly harboring sinister intent.

nightpool
I like how informal and chill Ran? is.
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[To match her expectations, I have utilized everything at my disposal
To comfort her inner heart, I have woven suffering]
i, uh, okay. word of advice, eyeball man, when you think of something you're doing as 'weaving suffering' i feel like you should rethink your whole life
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Ran?: You're like all the other things that have appeared to interfere with her before. You just want to satisfy your own desire for her.

Ran?: Protection, companionship, whatever- those things are all excuses. Ran only needs one abnormality at her side, and that abnormality is me.

nightpool
god I love their dynamic so much
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The sound of exploding galaxies rose in intensity, and its head crept closer towards Ran's.

[The beloved child of the human mother is irreplaceable
The claw of desire eternally creeps closer to her]
Including yours as well]
nightpool
i'm still not sure whether this is Ann or some weird offshoot of Ran or something else entirely but i love their dynamic.
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I raised my hand and grabbed it by its irregular head, squeezing it tight like a toy. The irregular pulsation of its head ceased, but the sound of the stars grew even further in magnitude.

YEAH YOU GO WEIRD RAN
nightpool
also i love how eyeball seems to be saying that Ran is just like, inherently cosmically loveable
Zerovirus
SQUISH THAT HEAD
SQUISH IT LIKE A STRESS BALL
holy shit i wish there was a CG for this
Benedict
ahahahaha
squeezy the cosmic horror
jjjqance
squish squish
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I was certain that sound was its heartbeat.

Ran?: In my heart, the 'irreplaceability' of Ran Ibuki, is different from what you all mean by 'irreplaceable'.

I released my grip, and it immediately pulled its body back, to put some distance between me and it. But it didn't seem to want to get too far away from Ran Ibuki entirely, and slowly it approached once more.

It was obviously scared of what I'd just done.

Ran?: But what I feel is completely irrelevant to you. Hurry and leave. Ran needs rest.

The sound of the stars quieted, and it slowly shuffled its body- though it didn't look like it was trying to leave the room.

[You love her]
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Ran?: I just want to be by her side and protect her, that's all.

Just like a weapon that a mortal human might use for self-defense, Ran Ibuki could utilize me to protect herself as well. It was just that I continued with this duty even while she was asleep.

I sat on the edge of the bed, and opened the notebook, lightly caressing the words that Ran had written down herself.

There were far too many holes in the notes. I supposed that this was inextricably related to Ran's memory loss, but the greater part of the responsibility was on me.

I knew what it was that Ran had forgotten, and the empty pages of the notebook would have recorded information that would have been very painful to her.

If she could forget all these things, be like everyone else, forget everything after the passage of the great rains, and no longer be treated as the beloved child of humanity's mother...

jjjqance
what
nightpool
what
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Ran?: You can sense the outside world, can you not? Does the rain yet still fall?

[The rain of the mother has yet to abate
And shall not until her fervent wish is announced to have been destroyed]
okay, uh, translator's note- i still don't know how to translate 人类母亲, it's either 'the human mother' i.e. human as adjective, or 'the mother of humanity' i.e. human as noun. it's one of these two and i don't know which one is right, we're all missing a lot of fucking context. it's clearly the name of an Anomaly Thing or something. 'fervent wish is announced to have been destroyed' is my best interpolation as well. the original text literally goes '(fervent wish) (announcement) (destruction)'. it could just as easily be 'the fervent wish has announced destruction', or 'the fervent wish which was announced has been destroyed'. i fucking hate eyeball man's grammatical tics.
avunvain
so notebook wants to be to ran what ran… thinks she wants from ann
us against the world
nightpool
or more simply just is
but i mean, yeah, wants to be to
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Ran?: It's good that the rain has yet to abate. This way, the world can continue to operate peacefully.

I closed the notebook, and put it back where it was originally. Ran ought to get herself some sleep now.

Ran?: Hurry up and begone, and don't come back. Having her body borrowed by me puts extreme mental stress on Ran. I don't want her to keep eating paper.

If she kept eating the paper, the remnants of personality I had would also diminish as well.

But even in such a scenario, I'd wind up with the same personality as Ran Ibuki. That wasn't so bad.

Eyeball man leaves. Ran? goes back to bed.
what the fuck was this scene.
nightpool
awesome, is what it was
Zerovirus
ran eating paper reduces the remaining personhood of this- being???
what?
the notebook paper is literally her, fucking, dark-souls-esque humanity????????
nightpool
we kind of knew that already. or suspected.
assuming that this thing is ann's memories.
Zerovirus
and what the fuck is this about the mother's rains
?!?!?!?!
jjjqance
i would have expected ran eating the paper would have caused ran to be more like the entity
Zerovirus
what, the outside world has been, covered in some kind of anomaly that ended the world?? or it didn't? the rain is keeping the world intact?
but also the mother's beloved child, who is ran, is constantly getting chased by anomalies who desire her?
what the fuck is the lore of this world?
CHRONO JOTTER?!?!?
jjjqance
jottin' the chronos with the boys
Zerovirus
Good morning, Ran, how're you feeling.

Every time Ran saw a shaved cancer patient lying in a sickbed on TV, she'd imagine to herself what kind of pain they were going through.

Okay I see you're not doing well since you're opening with a comparison to having terminal cancer, have a nice day then.
nightpool
so here's a question. what's eyeball trying to do when we're asleep? Like, if the notebook wasn't "protecting" us at night, what would happen?
I mean, we know what it wants: it wants Ran here and solving mysteries, right? So........ what does it have left?
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Ran always wondered what was more painful- the externally visible wounds, or the internal illnesses that weren't at all apparent from the outside?

On days like this, Ran definitely knew the answer to that question.

Ran: (What the hell... I just recalled a little bit. Why's my head hurt so goddamn much.)

I mean, Ran, you did, uh, die in a recollection
to a head wound
Zerovirus
I feel like- instinctively- this has something to do with uniform color. Like I feel like, if we ever see ran in a red and black uniform, that's going to be real cause for panic.
I can't really make any formal claims beyond that but I bet if eyeball fucker got to do as it wanted, Ran would wake up and find that she was wearing a red and black uniform and not find this weird at all.
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god this game knows what i'm thinking.

Ran: (I mean, sure, I died in a recall. But that should have been mitigated by my consumption of paper.)

nightpool
hmm that makes sense.... eyeball-chan also implied that it was constrained by rules that it had to let Ran leave if she wanted though. presumably that also extends to mind-controlling ran into not wanting to leave...?
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Ran hisses in pain as she squirms around in bed. Sai tells us to stop fucking pretending that we're snoring, we're not doing a good job, and to get our lazy ass up.

Sai had just returned to the dorm, with a bagged-up swimsuit in hand.

Ran: My head hurts a lot. I just need to rest a bit. It's a chronic thing, been around for a long time, don't worry about it.

Sai offers to get us breakfast in bed. Ran turns her down, telling Sai she should feel free to go swimming. Sai shrugs and leaves.

Ran closed her eyes. The clues relating to the Tama incident floated in her mind, interrupting her attempts to get rest.

Ran: (At this point, I feel like I've almost got it. I wonder how much progress the others have made.)

Ran: (For all I know, once I get up, Tama'll be back on her feet and hopping up and down excitedly and being all like 'Asakura-san, Asakura-san' again.)

Ran: (...Why does the idea of that kind of piss me off? I mean, it's not like I lose anything if I'm not the one to find the culprit. But still.)

Ran: (It'd even be more convenient for me if I didn't have to lift a finger. But. Ugh.)

Ran's headache acts up again and she goes back to focusing on sleeping in.
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However, someone opens the door and comes in. With them comes the scent of food- porridge, apparently.

Ran: (Porridge for breakfast. How traditional of you, Sai.)

Ran turned around and opened her eyes, intending on teasing Sai a bit. However, she saw that the person holding the food was Ann Sakura, rather.

nightpool
well that doesn't seem like the action of somebody who tried to murder us
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Ran: Oh! Miss Sakura!

Ran hopped right out of bed, slipped on some outerwear, and sat up ramrod-straight, her eyes glowing with the light of terrible enthusiasm.

Breakfast in bed, from our girlfriend! The best way to start a day!!
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Ann: Am I interrupting your rest?

Ran: Oh nonono not at all.

Ran was surprised that Ann had come to find her for once- but moreso than that, she was even more surprised that she hadn't been able to identify Ann by the sound of her footsteps.

Ran: Wait a moment, I'll get right out of bed.

Ann: No need to trouble yourself. Please just rest there.

Ann put the plate of food down on the table, and walked over to the bed, reaching up on her tiptoes to grab the pillow off of Sai's bunk.

Ran found herself staring right at Ann's stomach. She fought the urge to bury her own face in it and embrace her.

Ann layered the second pillow under Ran's back, stacking the two pillows together and making an even more comfortable surface for Ran to rest on.

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Ann: Alright, how's that?

Ran: It's great.

Ann: Okay. I'm going to feed you some porridge now. Think you can keep it down?

Ran: E-eh? W-with what? Your mouth?

Ann: ....

Ran: ....

Ann: I'm... pretty sure... I'm supposed to use a spoon.

Ran: ......Sorry... I just got too excited about... seeing miss Sakura come here to take care of me.....

Ran you are a fucking disaster jesus christ
holy fuck.
good thing we haven't completely freaked Ann out. that woman is fucking implacable, honestly.
Now Ann is spoonfeeding Ran porridge!
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Ran thoroughly enjoyed every moment of this.

Ann: Have I ever had to take care of you before, like this?

Ran: Yeah, though, that time the illness was way scarier. Not the kind that you got better from just by being fed porridge.

nightpool
tell Ann about the arm incident!
I'm sure she'll find that charming and cute
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Ran: Back then, I needed your help with practically anything I wanted to do.

Ann: Is that so? Wait, don't tell me I actually fed you using my mouth back then??

That brought back countless wonderful memories for Ran, who nodded. And then nodded several more times, for emphasis.

Ann seemed somewhat taken aback- and embarrassed.

Ann: I... can't imagine what that would have been like.

Then why don't we try now

You'll remember once your memories come back to you

BOY HOWDY THIS SURE IS A DECISION
I, UH.
i will be very yikes if there's a cg gated behind the first choice here
jjjqance
we gotta do it
nightpool
we don't gotta do it
we should not do it
honestly both choices here are bad!
Zerovirus
flipping a coin. heads does it, tail doesn't it
nightpool
noooo
Zerovirus
we're not doing it
jjjqance
damn
nightpool
god if that had come up heads I would have died
jjjqance
(secretly relieved)
nightpool
the trolls lose again
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Ran: You'll remember once you get your memories back, miss Sakura!

Ann nodded.

Ann: But after I recover, the me that exists now will disappear as well. No matter what, I won't be able to experience that sensation myself.

i can't believe this game is actually berating us for telling ran and ann not to make out
with a fucking, philosophical melancholy tangent.
nightpool
I mean it tracks
it was a melancholy choice
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Ran wanted to say that the current Ann Sakura was also very likeable, and that she enjoyed spending time with her as well.

But what she wanted from the heart, was still her lover who'd regained all of her memories.

god fuck i can't believe this decision had actual thematic significance???
nightpool
yeah that's why I said both choices suck
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Ran: Sorry...

Ann: No need to apologize. I was the one that made things awkward in the first place. Eat up before it gets cold.

jjjqance
Ann what
nightpool
but suggesting that Ann try feeding us with her mouth would have been even worse
nightpool
maybe?
honestly I might have misread the valence of that scene
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Ann: So, are you feeling any better?

Ran: Of course! With miss Sakura around all illnesses of mine are banished instantly!

Ann brushed aside the hair on Ran's face, and tapped her own forehead to Ran's.

Ann: ...I tried to imitate what Miho does to test your temperature, but I just realized that I don't actually know what a fever is supposed to feel like.

Ran: It's okay, I'm completely fine now.

i'll be honest that's adorable ann
jjjqance
ran's got ann fever
nightpool
I love how Miho doesn't like, check anybody's temperature normally, apparently
she's too gay for that.
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Ran, who's gotten over her post-possession headache, gets up out of bed with Ann's help. Ann picks out Ran's shoes; apparently last night Ran had kicked her shoes off haphazardly after getting back to her dorm, and they'd wound up under the bed. Ran is a bit embarrassed that she's let Ann see how messy she was. They decide to head up to the observation deck to make theories and discuss the case. On the way they run into Makoto.

Makoto: Hm? Ibuki-san? Just got up?

Ran: Didn't feel well today so I laid in bed for a while. You?

Makoto: Without Tama, nobody was around to remind me to get up, so I overslept without noticing.

Ran: ...Oh.

Ran: (How am I supposed to continue the conversation with something like that?)

Ann saves the day by telling Makoto that Sai prepared breakfast downstairs. Makoto nods and blearily trundles off down the stairs.
Ran and Ann continue onwards and head up to the observation deck.
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Upon reaching the observation deck, they sit side by side. Ran gets out the notebook and lays it on her leg.

Ran: Miss Sakura, I'm about to tell you about something very important to me- namely, this notebook. Of course, your importance to me is beyond the ability of the word 'importance' to describe, miss Sakura.

Ran: So I'm only telling you, miss Sakura, about the notebook. Please don't let anybody else know of these things.

Ann nodded. Ran didn't doubt her promise for a moment.

jjjqance
Yoo we about to get some lore
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Ran: So, this notebook lets me time-travel. I've been using it to crack all the cases and to feel bad about my teacher. Ann: I see. Seems reasonable.
Ann: Wait, what do you mean I only have charisma nine. That's far too low. Ran: My apologies, miss Sakura, I'll fix it immediately.
nightpool
I mean you joke but
jjjqance
Zero's jokes are always right
nightpool
also oh no if Ann did kill her this seems like a bad strategy
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Ran begins by easing Ann into it.

Ran: So, these words here, I didn't write them. The notebook wrote those words, for me. Here, see, the squigglier irregular handwriting, that's my handwriting. Very different from the notebook's writing.

Ann: So the notebook takes notes automatically? I can see how useful that would be.

Ran: That's right. And by using the words written down by the notebook, I can project my consciousness to the points in time recorded by those lines of text, and make different choices than the choices I made in reality, and thus learn about more things than I could in the real world.

Ann didn't hesitate at all before responding.

Ann: That's insane. You're delusional. Of all straws to break the camel's back, this is somehow the most implausible thing, and I completely don't believe you at all. We are no longer dating.

Ann: Oh, I see. That's how you figured out the answer so quickly with Koizumi, right?

Ann: And you didn't explain how it was that you caught Koizumi, because you didn't want to mention the notebook?

Ran: That's right! As expected of you, miss Sakura. Your comprehension speed is top-notch!

nightpool
Investigation 9, baby
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Ann: It seems a bit incredible, yeah.

Ann put her hand on the notebook, but the notebook didn't drain her blood. The pages of the notebook only responded to Ran's hands.

Ann: I don't know why, but... touching the notebook like this, it feels... very familiar, for some reason. Have I touched it before?

Ran: I don't think so. I only acquired it after you and I were separated, miss Sakura.

well, score 1 for 'notebook is ann's memories' theory, score -1 for 'how'd you only get the notebook after she disappeared, what's the story there ran'

Ran: For a long time, it took care of me in your stead, miss Sakura. It helped me with a lot of things.

nightpool
maybe she was being haunted by Ann's ghost
and then bound it into a notebook.
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Ran laid her own hand on the back of Ann's hand.

Ran: Now that I've got both the notebook and miss Sakura, I feel like I'm not afraid of anything anymore.

Ann: I hope I can be of use. The 'miss Sakura' you're talking about isn't me at all.

Ann retracted her hand, and Ran cursed herself for saying the wrong thing yet again.

And now:
it is TIME
to DEDUCTION
nightpool
oooooh
double deduction duo
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1: Why did the culprit move the corpse?

2: Where is the murder weapon?

3: When was Tama's corpse moved?

4: Why did Tama need to be strangled to unconsciousness?

5: Why use such a strange method?

6: Is there an accomplice?

I guess we only get to focus on four questions. What're we pinpointing on and what do we think doesn't need to be focused on?
nightpool
hmmm
1 and 5 are kind of overlapping
avunvain
idk if what we have corresponds to any real insight on 5
nightpool
something about Makoto wanting to cast suspicion away from herself?
it does feel like the weakest
except 3 maaaybe
jjjqance
4 is so that she wouldn't have to experience the brutal murder method
Zerovirus
i think 1 is kinda important tbh
like, good question. why move the body?
what's wrong with having tama strung up in the trees?
why the stage positioning?
nightpool
one weird thing about 1 is that in our current theory her body was moved 3 times
Zerovirus
6 is definitely important imo.
nightpool
she was moved from the generator room to the woods because the generator room is WAY too incriminating of a place to kill somebody
but she was moved from the woods inside..... why?
Zerovirus
also shoes theory- like, who murdered us, why, if ann murdered us why did she do it, is there a culprit theory that incorporates her, etc.
nightpool
makoto can't have killed us because she's the only one who couldn't have known where we were
Zerovirus
Looking at dumping questions 4 and 5, I think.
I don't think we can figure out why such a strange method was used offhand like this, and I think 4 is self-evidently niceness.
nightpool
that's a gimme though!
Zerovirus
Coincidentally those two are the whydunits.
nightpool
isn't it good to give ourselves a gimme?
Zerovirus
The other four questions are all howdunits.
well, yeah, the questions we dump should be the gimmes.
the ones we don't dump are the ones we have to actually reason about.
nightpool
hmm. I was thinking of it the other way around
like, the more questions we answer correctly, the better. I see your point though
yeah I'm fine with dumping 4 and 5
Zerovirus
So, question 6 has been designated as a keeper.

Ran: Now there's a bit of a conundrum. It's not exactly a useless inquiry, but before solving the other problems, it's hard to judge this one at all.

Ann: Let's write it down first, then, and consider it last.

nightpool
that one's the most important since we're 95% certain sai was in on it
Zerovirus
Question 1 is kept.

Ran: How do you feel about this one, miss Sakura? Is this worth considering?

Ann: Mmm, the scene of the crime's always important to any case.

Ann: Carrying Tama's body must have consumed extraneous time for the culprit, and may possibly have left traces. But even then, she still decided to move the corpse anyways. It's worth thinking about.

nightpool
not just once!
Zerovirus
Question two! Where's the weapon?

Ann: Ran, how's this question?

Ran: I actually feel like we can ignore this one. Based on the circumstances, we just can't get a lot of clues from the weapon.

Ran: Real police investigators focus on finding the murder implement because they want to get clues about the culprit's identity from the weapon itself, and to determine based on the weapon's physical state whether the killer is used to murder, as well as using scientific instruments to get forensic facts out of the weapon.

Ran: Our situation's one where the murder weapon was just sitting in the tool shed, and anybody could have had an opportunity to steal the keys from Asakura?

Ann: Perhaps the place where the murderer hid the weapon could be a clue?

Ran: (Then the chances that I got murdered in the Recall because the culprit was heading there to pick up the weapon just then is significantly larger.)

Ran: If we really have to find the location of the murder weapon, that'd waste a lot of our time. We should only try something like that once we've used up all clues we have on hand.

Ann: Mmm, sure. I guess we can eliminate this avenue of inquiry, for now.

i- bwuh- okay
i guess we're not picking which ones the detectives are keeping this round???
this game keeps surprising me.
now that ran has Miss Sakura, she doesn't need our advice anymore!!
nightpool

Then the chances that got murdered in the Recall because the culprit was heading there to pick up the weapon just then is significantly larger.

okay that's a fair argument for Makoto
The shoes match though......
nightpool
maybe we just picked the right ones on accident last time lmao
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Zerovirus
Question three!

Ann: Inquiries regarding time all seem rather important, don't they?

Ran: That's right. I believe that the only thing in the world which can't be interfered with is time.

TIME GOD INTENSIFIES

Ran: And, through recall, I have a greater field of perception to observe time itself, than anybody else.

Ran: So let's use all the clues we have regarding time to their greatest extent.

Ann: Alright, writing this one down, then.

Zerovirus
Question four- why tama was strangled- is also apparently worthy of consideration!

Ann: It's a very interesting question. I feel like it pulls at quite a few clues.

Ran: That's right. Of course, there's the simple answer that strangling Tama was just to make it easier for the killer to rotate her head. But the killer could have just not chosen something as complex as rotating her head, in that case.

Ran: Instead, they went and did a lot more things and left behind a lot more clues.

Ann: So the culprit was foolish?

Ran: It doesn't matter either way. What the culprit was thinking is their own business. We just need to deduce based on the things we know actually happened.

Ran: This problem is worth consideration.

i,
wait, okay,
so
i do get to choose, but only one??? and- i guess
by process of elimination we've
accidentally removed
the fifth question??
this game's inquiry elimination system is weird and frankly a bit too unpredictable, imo.
i don't know what i'm doing in this part of the investigations, ever.
nightpool
you can't click on the fifth question anymore?
......... maybe the game's manual explains it
Zerovirus
Oh I can still click on it, and Ran will explain why she's not focusing on it.
nightpool
maybe the 4th and the 5th are just too intertwined
so if you pick the 4th it'll eliminate the 5th and vice versa
or maybe the 2nd and the 5th were just predetermined
and we just happened to get the 5th last by accident
Zerovirus

Ann: But this is a really important question.

Ran: Eh.... Kinda, sure. Indeed, this idea of 'strangeness' is a perpetual companion in an investigation. People always talk about 'oh, this guy died in a really weird way, trying to figure out why the culprit would do such a thing's definitely a worthwhile thing to investigate'.

Ran: But actual investigations don't focus on the method itself, but rather on what the culprit had to do to achieve the method.

Ann: Sounds a bit circular.

Ran: If we focus entirely on the method, it's too easy for us to get distracted with the killer's motives, like revenge or dramatizing the murder or whatnot.

Ran: Using Tama as an example, when we're focusing on what the killer had to be capable of doing to achieve this method, we start asking, when did the killer get the weapon? How tall did the culprit have to be to be able to make those marks on the tree? Etc.

Ran: Specifically focusing on the how is more meaningful and direct than the why.

Ran: So that's why I think this question doesn't demand our attention.

Having clicked on 5, that removes it from our list of considerations.
jjjqance
wow ran
Zerovirus
So we're left with these four questions.
jjjqance
you need to read more visual novels
Zerovirus
Time to figure out what the answers to these questions are, in logical order!
Zerovirus

Ran: (So why did the murderer move the body?)

They hoped the body would be discovered more quickly

To conceal the time of death

To conceal the method of the crime

These all sound pretty plausible. If we're on team 'makoto did it' I guess I'd go for 1, but I'd like to hear y'all's thoughts.
jjjqance
admittedly, i don't think it accomplished either of the latter 2
Zerovirus
Going with 1 then.
nightpool
you did save right
i don't want to look stupid in front of our potential girlfriend
Zerovirus

Ran: If they wanted the corpse to be found, why not just leave it at the door to the gym, rather than putting it inside the gym.

Ann: What about the opposite?

Ran: If they didn't want it to be found, then they could have just left the corpse at the scene of the murder.

Ann: Could it be that she wanted to hide it, but while heading to the gym something unexpected occurred, making it so that her only option was to put the body in the gym?

Ran: No way. Whether the culprit wanted to hide it or not, from the start they shouldn't have bothered with the gym at all. There's plenty of other places that satisfy either of the previously stated goals.

Ran: At the least, she didn't want to enter the gym, so her intent with putting the body there probably had little to do with whether she wanted to hide or reveal the body.

I don't think we're playing as Ran, I think we're playing as Ann.
jjjqance
i feel like it coulda been 3 though. i think 2 doesn't make much sense, but it could have plausibly accomplished 3
Zerovirus
Ran's responding to our prompts.
Anyways, it's apparently not one.
Let's try three as you suggested, why not?
Ran agrees with the assessment that it's three, on the grounds that discovering the true scene of the crime narrowed down the suspects significantly based on the girls' heights.
Good work!
Benedict
oh shit i got distracted at the wrong time
we solvin'
lessee
Zerovirus
Next up: why strangle Tama.

Ran: This question's a bit complicated. There seems to be more than one answer that fits the conditions.

Ann: What does that mean?

Ran: To be more precise about it, the culprit's choice to strangle Tama seems like it could achieve multiple goals; I'm not sure a single answer can encapsulate all of these goals.

Ann: I see. So we should first figure out all the potential benefits that strangling Tama could have had for the culprit, and then re-analyze those, to create a clear chain of logic, right?

Ran: Correct, miss Sakura; you've summed up things accurately, as expected. Let's begin, then.

nightpool
it's interesting how ran's still better at this, despite (the notebook rating her/her rating herself) a full 3 skillpoints lower then ann
Benedict
yeah i woulda gone with 3 there, the gym is a weird mostly disused place that it seems like they would only check if searching for a body, so trying to make it easier to find doesn't make sense- and the time of death doesn't really have anything to do with the gym
so strangling tama first- to be nice, yeah, they're all still friends and that's a fucked-up and painful way to die otherwise. it kinda points towards makoto but i think anyone would do tama that favor
Zerovirus
hoo fuckin' boy there's a bunch of these

Prevent Tama from struggling during the murder

sounds plausible

The culprit tried to kill Tama via strangulation, but failed

...not so plausible imo

The culprit needed time to prepare the murder weapon

huh. could be possible yeah! interesting. especially if we got killed because the murderer came to the tea party to get the head spinny wrench.

The culprit was trying to frame other students who had the strength necessary to choke Tama out

ehhhhhh. maybe? not the main goal though.

The culprit needed to create a false alibi for themselves

what is distinctly not present: niceness
Benedict
but if we imagine a totally brutal culprit who doesn't care, strangling her...
Zerovirus
we sure seem to be imagining a totally brutal culprit who doesn't care here
nightpool
false alabi is interesting, but "time to prepare the murder weapon" seems most obvious
Benedict
it seems like normally strangling someone is easier to do just about anywhere at any time, and so it was probably step one before doing any of the crazy crime scene stuff
jjjqance
the framing one doesn't make sense. in order to choke her, they have to be one of those students capable of strangling her. they'd be framing themselves
nightpool
"but failed" could mean "couldn't bring themselves to go through with it"
Zerovirus
pft.
c'mon, really?
these girls dissect each other for fun.
jjjqance
i also don't see the connection to the alibi
nightpool
yeah but it's makoto we're talking about
Benedict
1 and 3 are kind of the same- they needed tama dead and not moving around for a while, before going through with their whole complicated neck-twist plot
3 is sort of a subset of 1
which i would ordinarily say means 1 is correct, but by mystery game logic more specific is better
jjjqance
we're supposed to pick multiple, right?
Benedict
i'd start with 3 then move up to 1 if that doesn't work
Zerovirus
Ran agrees that needing to buy time to get the murder weapon seems plausible.

Ran: I mean, we know what the murder weapon was, and it seems like it had to have been premeditated, you can't come up with a plan like this one off the top of your head.

Ran: But that creates the other issue of- well, you can't exactly be seen running around all day with a wrench big enough to clamp your own head. It'd be weird. Everyone knows what the pipe wrench is for, after all. I think the culprit probably saw that she had an opportunity, after Tama and I split up.

Ran: The culprit strangled Tama and then hid her, before going to find the murder weapon.

Ann: So you're saying that strangling Tama was to buy time for the culprit.

Ran: That's right. This also implies that the culprit probably strangled Tama with her own bare hands- because she was taking advantage of a spontaneous opportunity, and didn't immediately have something like rope on her.

3 works, but just one isn't enough. The game might expect us to go through them all?
Trying 1.

Ran: Well, no shit, sherlock.

thanks, ran.
jjjqance
i bet the corpse was in the red tea cabinet in the intervening time
lolol
Zerovirus
Ran and Ann speculate about how the culprit would have had a lot of trouble twisting Tama's head if Tama were alive and frantically moving her head this way and that.

Ann: It's possible that she woke up in the middle of the act, though?

Ran: Very possible, though it'd have been too late by then.

gonna try everything else top-down order i guess.
nightpool
let's try in order of suspiciousness
i want to try false alibi
hmm no changed my mind that doesn't make sense
i guess #2 is the only other one that could possibly make sense
jjjqance
if they failed to kill her by strangulation, how would they have killed her by the complicated neck twisting thing?
nightpool
with the wrench obviously
mechanical advantage
jjjqance
yeah but how would they get them into the setup
Zerovirus
Option 2 (strangulation failure) is an incorrect answer, unsurprisingly.

Ran: Clearly not. If she really wanted to strangle Tama to death, she could have just choked her to the point of fainting, and then finished the job with some rope.

Ran: Or, hell, just used rope in the first place. The fact that she used rope to affix Tama to the tree later on clearly indicates that she had access to rope.

Ann: Maybe she choked Tama out, went to go look for rope, and came up with the more complicated murder method on the fly?

Ran: Very improbable. It's hard to make a method like this work without serious thought. And even if the murderer had a sudden flash of insight, it doesn't really affect our judgment either way.

Ann: Mm, you're right.

nightpool
yeah that tracks.
false alibi doesn't make sense to me because like, tama is still missing during the time she's unconscious
so nobody's really going to be fooled
jjjqance
maybe it disguises the time of death?
actually i think that makes sense
it initially looked like she had died of her neck being snapped, right?
they had to investigate really closely to identify the strangulation
wait
this still doesn't make sense for making an alibi
Zerovirus
Option 5- alibi- is actually also right.

Ran: The culprit could have killed Tama immediately after choking her out, but the process would have taken some time, and there'd be a large amount of blood on the culprit that would have been difficult to clean.

Ran: Plus, she needed time to get her murder implement, and to clean up her bloodied clothes afterwards. Not to mention the risk of being witnessed.

Ann: So, after the culprit choked Tama out, appearing before the rest of us before going to kill Tama properly would be a very sensible choice.

Ran: And that's exactly what she did- and she expanded the pool of potential suspects in the process. A very effective act.

Benedict
but, how does that,
like, you still need to go move the body
nightpool
i guess that points to sai?
jjjqance
wasn't someone bleeding or hurt at some point ...?
Zerovirus
koizumi's legs were hurt, but we know what caused that.
nightpool
only koizumi...?
jjjqance
oh that's right
nvm
also i don't really follow ran's logic here
Zerovirus
and upon hitting number five, the game tells us that we're good
apparently that's all the possible beneficial results that choking tama out could have had for the culprit.
i guess number four is assumed irrelevant!
which was pretty obvious, i mean,
there's only so many characters here that could reasonably strangle tama, honestly
nightpool
yeah it was kind of pointless.
i mean i think they're trying to draw the distinction between, like, maybe most of the students could have made tama pass out but only a few of them could have fully killed her via strangulation but like
we had to look very closely to know she was even strangled at all
Zerovirus
So when'd the killer move the body?

After it rained

Before it rained

Before the power room repairs were completed

well, for there to be a body, the owner of the body had to die.
so, this is really asking, 'when did the murder happen'.
nightpool
#3 clearly
Benedict
so the timeline was... it's not raining, we split up from tama, tama gets strangled and stashed somewhere, then... frig, when were the power room repairs done
nightpool
we saw the tarps
well before it started raining
Zerovirus
i think i need to consult the log viewer for this one.
nightpool
although now i'm not so certain what they mean by "moved the body" since, like, again, they moved the body twice.
i guess it was only "moved" once though
Zerovirus
investigation day was log entry 8 btw
nightpool
i forget, when we went to go help makoto put the lid back on, what did she do afterwards? did we just leave her there? or did she come back to the tea party with us?
Zerovirus
it... doesn't show us.
the recall point ends at the point where ran's like 'god i hate lifting this heavy fucking lid my hands are going to hurt so much'
nightpool
hmmm

Sai: Since you've got Ibuki now, you probably don't need me anymore? If so, I'm gonna go home and sleep. I'm a bit tired after swimming, and I've gotta study for tomorrow's classes.

i wonder what sai does after this.
nightpool
kind of screws with Sai accomplice theory i guess
Zerovirus
the timeline is, we go for a tour with tama while it's not raining, tama and ran split up, power room repairs are finished, makoto goes looking for tama, it starts raining, makoto doesn't find tama, it keeps raining, makoto calls us out to find tama, we all go looking for tama while it's still raining, we find tama in the gym
i went and reread all of parts 8, 9, and 10, just to be sure this timeline was right
it literally can't be 'after it rained' because we found tama before the rain stopped
'before it rained' takes place after 'before the repairs were done'
Benedict
yeah, that one idk why they even gave us
nightpool
i think they mean "after it started raining"
Zerovirus
since makoto and sai came back to the dorms looking for tama while it was still sunny out
nightpool
which we know it wasn't because the floors were spotless until we came in
Benedict
who was doing the power room repairs again? just makoto, alone, or was sai helping her with that?
Zerovirus
Makoto alone for the most part until she went to get Sai to help her put the cover of the generator back on, supposedly. Makoto did not need help getting the generator lid off by herself, just back on.
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nightpool
lmao
Zerovirus
Since putting the cover back on is the last thing one needs to do to repair the generator, after that Makoto and Sai presumably headed immediately home, if they didn't lie about anything.
So, no, the implication is, Sai was not with Makoto except for the very end.
nightpool

Makoto carries the big toolbox that she was presumably using to fix the generator to the tool room, and then leaves the dorms. Sai, on the other hand, notices that Ran and Ann are holding hands.

oh this is right before the tea party huh
Zerovirus
Oh, wait, right, Sai got Makoto to go fix the changing room locker doors with her.
nightpool
that.... doesn't explain how Ran gets murked though
Zerovirus
But then they went back to the dorms.
nightpool
(Makoto definitely went to go get Sai, but they fixed the changing room doors on their way back)
nightpool
in fact, this almost certainly disproves the theory that Ran got got by Makoto when she was grabbing the pipe wrench unless makoto is like, really slow
Zerovirus
Anyways, with regards to when the body was moved, my answer is a big old... shrugs Probably 'before it rained', I think?
Gonna try 'before it rained'.
Wow, Ran completely disagrees with me.
nightpool
why didn't you try "before the power room was fixed"?
that seems like the obvious answer to me
Zerovirus

Ran: Incorrect. The traces of moisture on Tama's body are very clear. It must have happened after it'd rained, because Tama's body shows signs of exposure to the rain. Despite this, however, her feet are very clear; this could only have been because she'd already been dead by the time it started raining, so she could no longer walk with her own feet.

i- after the rain?
really?
nightpool
huh.........
Zerovirus
so you're saying the murderer totally cleaned up their own tracks??
nightpool
i thought we explicitly said that ... yeah
hm
jjjqance
well i guess it make ssense the murderer would clean up their tracks
nightpool
maybe #1 and #3 are both right
Zerovirus

Ann: Did the culprit make an oversight? Everyone knows that it rains a lot these days. If she'd prepared rain-avoidance equipment, or if she'd smothered mud on Tama's shoes, she could have really messed with us.

Ran: It wouldn't have made a big difference either way, because the important thing isn't if Tama was alive while she was getting railed on, it was whether she was even outside at all while it was raining.

Ran: Tama had an umbrella with her, after all. Logically speaking, you wouldn't expect her to get so completely drenched. It's very strange that Tama was outside with an umbrella while it's raining.

Ran: But the killer's lack of preparation against inclement weather is indeed strange. This suggests that it's possible that she didn't begin committing the murder during the rain, but rather that it suddenly began to rain during the process of the murder.

Ann: Right. And it must have happened during the process of killing Tama. By the time the culprit moved Tama's body, the rain had already been falling for some time. Otherwise, if the rain was only happening while the corpse was being moved, the culprit could have just covered the body with a tarp to block the rainwater.

Ran: Yeah, if she'd prepared a tarp beforehand, and wrapped it on Tama before she began, whether it rained or not, the bloodstains wouldn't have looked the way that they look now.

Zerovirus

Ann: Well, from the culprit's method, she couldn't have covered Tama's head with the tarp as well, otherwise she couldn't have turned Tama's head, and then the rain would have gotten on Tama's hair and the whole thing would have been pointless.

Ran: In conclusion, the culprit was the person who was still outside when it began raining.

well, gee, that's... that's pretty definitive, isn't it?

Ran: Once we've excluded all other possibilities, that leaves only her.

Zerovirus

Ran: Finally, whether or not an accomplice exists is no longer a meaningful question.

Ran: We've already figured out the identity of the culprit, and the only person who could have possibly been her accomplice has already been eliminated by way of recollections.

Ann: Are you really going to be able to convince the murderer using evidence you got through a recall, though?

Ann: That time you revived me, it was Miho helping you out of a jam, wasn't it.

Ran: This time it'll be different. The culprit won't actively bring up the idea of an accomplice on their own; if they do, they'd be implicating themselves as the culprit.

And then we leave the deduction screen.
nightpool

and the only person who could have possibly been her culprit has already been eliminated by way of recollections.

hmm?
oh, her accomplice, that is?
Zerovirus
yea whoops
nightpool
i guess i didn't really see that scene as exonerating sai
like, she could have just doubled back and helped makoto later
but i guess that it doesn't really matter innafinalanalysis
Zerovirus
i mean, it doesn't matter- like, the theory here is
sai couldn't have really helped makoto, because makoto didn't start stringing tama up and performing head rotation until after sai had gotten to the kitchen and started making tea for everyone
nightpool
yeah that tracks
Zerovirus
i believe the timeline is something like- tama goes to look for makoto, makoto deals with tama by choking her out, makoto hides tama, makoto goes to get sai to help her, sai helps her,
they fix the pool door, they go to the dorms, sai sticks around to make tea, makoto leaves to start doing the rest of the murder, it starts raining.
nightpool
yeah, that's the timeline
the question is just how much of the murder they're able to get done while also fixing the pool door
but the answer is none, because pipe wrench
Zerovirus
the other students that weren't there were aya and koizumi, but koizumi couldn't have done it because c'mon, and aya... well, i imagine it'd have been noticeable if aya had been rained on when miho found her. miho would have mentioned it and aya would have been like 'ha ha i don't know what you meaaaaaaaan,'
nightpool
was it raining when miho and aya came back?
Zerovirus
aya never actually came to the tea party
nightpool
oh she didn't, huh. somehow i missed that
Zerovirus
miho went to go give aya an umbrella when everyone split up to look for tama
so it could have been aya
but then aya HAD to have gotten drenched
since i believe miho said aya didn't bring an umbrella
and it didn't seem aya was drenched at all.
by this timeline, then, it was probably makoto who murdered us when she came to grab the pipe wrench and found us there investigating the tool room.
nightpool
we never actually noticed aya and miho arrive i don't think
Zerovirus
no accomplices needed
Benedict
aya deflected the rain with the power of rock
...wait, no, water is super-effective against rock
never mind
Zerovirus
if you're talking about gathering in the gym- no, we didn't see anybody arrive specifically.
nightpool
i'm sure the game would have said something if aya was drenched but it's a worrying hole in our normally keen powers of observation
Zerovirus

Ann: So, we've solved all the problems up to this point, then?

Ran: Mhm. But if the culprit is her, then I don't want the others to know, yet. I want to have a talk with her, alone.

RAN THAT'S SO DANGEROUS THOUGH WHAT IF SHE KILLS YOU

Ann: Ran, that's so dangerous. What if she kills you.

Ran: It's fine! I'll just let her know that miss Sakura also knows who the culprit is.

ran, clapping ann on the back: it's okay! i'm sure you won't be the next target after i'm found with my head twisted five hundred forty degrees as well, champ.
nightpool
does she really
incredible
(that's a joke, right)
Zerovirus
It's a joke yeah. not the part in quotes, that part's real. Ran's actual motives are just a tiny bit ulterior.

Ann: I still feel like we should go see her together.

Ran: (Normally I'd be ecstatic to go anywhere together with miss Sakura, of course. But this time... compared to the how, I'm really more curious about the why. I want to know the culprit's motive.)

Ran: (Maybe it'll even help me restore some of my memories. I still don't want miss Sakura to know about that, yet.)

Ran: No, we're not going together, if we go together and then we both get killed then we're all going to be in a huge pickle. There's going to be three times the case to solve if that happens.

Ran: (We know she's up for it. I got killed by her in the recollection, after all.)

Ann: Alright, then. Be careful, okay?

Ran: Mhm! Don't worry, miss Sakura, I told you that I'd never leave you ever again.

CHRONO JOTTER
Ran is waiting in the morgue for someone.
nightpool
god ran is so good
she knows exactly where makoto is going to be.
Zerovirus
Tama has been changed into an inpatient's outfit (or what do you call those hospital gown things??). It's very well-tailored. Ran supposes that every student has a death-gown for themselves, at this point.
The lady of the hour arrives.

Makoto: Ibuki-san, calling me to come here alone... I don't suppose you're expecting me to carry a conversation with Tama all on my own?

nightpool
oh i just thought that ran assumed makoto was going to visit tama in the morgue. that would have been way funnier, very columbo.
hospital gown
Zerovirus

Ran: I know who the culprit is.

Makoto: And calling me here alone... you think it's me, then?

Ran: I'd rather not say, yet. I'm afraid that Tama'll wake up if I do, and there's somethings I want to say that I don't want her to hear.

The edges of Makoto's eyes dipped, a bit. Her sharp gaze made Ran worried that Makoto might actually decide to kill her.

Makoto: How kind of you. Though I don't particularly want her to revive either.

Ran: ...By the way, just so you know, miss Sakura also knows the identity of the culprit.

Makoto laughed.

Makoto: Don't worry! I'm not going to kill you.

Ran: (Pretty sure you caved in my skull in that recall sequence, but, sure, whatever.)

Ran: Well, no point in wasting more time. I'm going to begin describing the murderer's process now.

Benedict
you,
don't particularly want her to revive???
nightpool
maybe she thinks tama will blame her
Zerovirus
the implication is 'for now'- though i didn't translate it as 'for now' because the text itself doesn't say for now.
it's like 90% sure that makoto has something she wants to say and just doesn't want tama to hear it either, and maybe 10% that she is actually hoping that she could keep tama dead for good, for some bizarre reason.
nightpool
or just "wants some more time without her"
where she doesn't have to.... deal with the pressure of being Tama's Person, maybe.
just spitballing ofc. could be a million reasons
Zerovirus

Ran: First off, the complexity of this method means that it was clearly a premeditated murder.

Ran: The nature of the murder meant that the culprit was waiting for one specific circumstance- when Tama Indou was alone.

Ran: Yesterday, after Tama separated from me, she sent the culprit a text message saying that she was going to visit her-

Makoto: C'mon, you can stop with the 'culprit' thing, you're clearly gunning for me.

Ran: Hey, I haven't said so yet.

Zerovirus

Ran: After the culprit received the text, she thought that this was a valuable opportunity, so she met up with Tama at the power room.

Ran: There, the culprit strangled her until she fainted.

Ran: If the culprit just needed time to get the murder weapon, she could have made preparations before Tama arrived.

Ran: Since, based on Tama's personality, she wouldn't leave the site until she'd met up with the culprit.

Zerovirus
...I'm not going to translate the rest of this word for word, it's pretty much as anticipated so far. The culprit locks Tama in the small back-room of the generator room, the room with the spare parts. Then she goes and gets Sai and has Sai help her fix the generator lid.
nightpool
yeah come on i just want to get to the romantic life advice
Zerovirus

Makoto: How careless of this supposed culprit. What if Tama had woken up and started making a ruckus in the spare parts closet?

Ran: Were you really worried about that, Makoto?

Makoto: ...

Ran continues.
blah blah blah culprit goes to the dorms with the other students.
then once they get to the dorms, the culprit pretends to go looking for tama, but actually circles around and swipes ropes and the wrench from the tool closet.
Then she goes back and sets up the whole actual murder.
The killer covers herself in a prepared tarp, to prevent blood from getting on her school uniform.
Zerovirus
The killer affixes tama to the tree and begins twisting her head-

Makoto: Hey, how come you stopped drawing at this scene?

Ran: Because I don't want to draw it.

Ran: And it's just the two of us, and between the two of us, we both know how it went down.

Makoto: How unprofessional.

Then it rains and the killer moves tama to the gym as she'd planned.
Then she flips the tarp inside out and uses the un-bloodied side to wipe her muddy footprints off the floor of the gym.
nightpool
this kind of implies to me that we're not getting a "ran explains everything to the group" scene later, huh
Zerovirus
(Which is bullshit where's that tarp).
nightpool
i mean, just hang it up or something it'll be washed off when the rain's done
Zerovirus

Makoto: How do you know such a tarp exists?

Ran: I saw the missing tarp from the power room closet, Makoto. Someone clearly took one of the tarps, and it was clearly y- the culprit. The pile of tarps was dusty on all sides but the top. Only one way to explain that.

nightpool
oh right
Zerovirus

Ran: The dust patterns in that room were strange too. The walls and floor were clean, but the shelves were dusty. I suppose the culprit must have cleaned up the room after placing Tama in the room left distinct marks that could have been used to deduce that Tama had once been placed in that room.

Makoto: Wow, real master detective stuff going on here.

And that's basically it! It is pretty much as we'd guessed, yeah.
nightpool
come on ran, get to the point
Straw
It's going to be absolutely hilarious when Makoto just ganks Ran at the end of this conversation
Zerovirus
Makoto isn't giving up immediately though.

Makoto: So let me guess- the premises upon which your reasoning is founded, are the presumed height of the culprit, and the suspects who were still outside while it was raining?

Makoto: What a sloppy job by the culprit. Well, you guessed right, the culprit was m-

Ran: No, wait, hold on. As long as I don't identify the culprit, even if the culprit admits it, Tama won't come back to life, will she.

Makoto raised one eyebrow.

Makoto: No, she won't. Because it will count as you not actually knowing who the suspects that fit your original premises are.

(translator's note: i have absolutely no idea what she means by this, i'm so sorry.)

Ran: That's good, then. Even if we revived Tama now, that still doesn't solve the problem.

Ran finally gets to the point.
why'd you do it, makoto, why do something that horrible to tama, with whom you had a great relationship???
Straw

Makoto: What a sloppy job by the culprit. Well, you guessed right, the culprit was my good friend, Ann Sakura

Zerovirus

Makoto: So what if the culprit had a great relationship with her? Do you think that a good relationship would prevent the culprit from committing the crime? Rather, wouldn't you think that the culprit would exploit their relationship to make it seem like she could never have done such a thing to Tama?

Makoto: This method was chosen entirely out of the hopes that it'd make the investigation more difficult to solve.

Makoto was talking very quickly, all of a sudden. Ran didn't even need to contemplate her speech to notice that she was clearly extremely stressed.

jjjqance
you'd think they would have worked out the meta for this a long time ago
Zerovirus
yeah, makoto, that's bullshit

Ran: I'd have liked to believe that too.

Ran: But the truth is that the culprit did this out of hatred. She chose this method because she wanted Tama to suffer.

okay for reals? you for reals right now? elaborate.
jjjqance
but tama was unconscious, right?
so she didn't suffer
nightpool
hmm that doesn't exactly track either though right? because makoto was sad when she got her card 🤔
nightpool
right, it seems more like a punching bag situation.
Zerovirus
this conversation is long and complicated and i'm going to have to translate it all word for word aren't i.
oh boy.
well, i did ask her to elaborate
and she sure is doing that.
jjjqance
wait shit
when she said she didn't want tama to revive
did she mean like permanently???
Straw
Something I'm wondering is if getting out of this place is going to involve killing people permanently
In order to break the cycle of death and regeneration
jjjqance
god the suspense
Straw
Based on how long Zero's been typing, this is going to be a big one
Zerovirus

Ran: After Tama learned who the culprit was, she'd surely cooperate with the culprit as best as she could to ensure that her plan could go off, right?

Ran: And before all this, I also believed that, were the culprit in the same situation as Tama, she'd also collaborate with Tama. But the way that the culprit planned for Tama to die was just too horrifying.

Ran: In Tama's heart, the culprit was someone very important to her- you could even say that she was one of her reasons for existence. And she had no doubt about this fact, and was happy to live this way.

Ran: So, the culprit was to Tama, as miss Sakura is to me- and so I'm astonished that the culprit would choose to apply such a process to Tama.

Makoto: So, according to you, whenever anybody decides to commit a murder and then split up the parts of the body afterwards, that's all because they hate their classmates? Can't the culprit just emotionlessly decide to wring Tama's neck? Is that so impossible?

Ran: Sure, it's possible. But, Asakura, is that actually what you were thinking?

Ran: After Tama revives, wouldn't the culprit keep trying to use the same cruel method to kill Tama?

Ran: Even if the designated victim wasn't Tama, the culprit would still kill her anyways, using her nature as a witness to the crime to justify it?

Makoto narrowed her eyes. Her brows were furrowed, and her hands stuck into her jacket pockets.

Makoto: I don't see why we're discussing such a pointless topic. This is all intuition. You like deduction so much, why don't you show me some proof that I hate Tama, and force a confession out of me, then?

Ran: This is about interpersonal emotions, not something that can be explained entirely through logic. But...

Ran looked down at the white cloth covering Tama, and then looked back up at Makoto.

Ran: Sai once said that, you once decided to commit suicide after you drew both the culprit and victim cards.

Makoto's hands had balled themselves up into fists, in her pockets.

Ran: And, the person to reason out your process of committing suicide, and who revived you, was Tama.

Ran: And I'm guessing she completely reasonably decided to blame herself for your choice to commit suicide.

Ran: Even though, under the condition that you could be revived, you decided to give up your own life.

Ran: But Tama thought that, if she satisfied you enough, that you would choose to kill one of the other classmates, rather than commit suicide.

Ran: And, after that, her goodwill towards you intensified and redoubled in magnitude, and because of this, you grew tired of Tama Indou- and even began to hate her.

Makoto was suddenly standing over Ran, looming over Ran. Ran hadn't even noticed when she'd gotten so close.

Makoto: And all of this- you intuited as well?

Ran reached out and grabbed Makoto by her shirt collar.

Ran: But I intuited right, didn't I? What does Tama Indou mean, to you?

Makoto grabbed Ran's arm by the wrist, and forced it away from her shirt collar.

Makoto: Nothing, that's what. A total nuisance.

Makoto: Tama Indou forces me to keep on living. I couldn't find any reason to keep existing in this world, so I chose to leave, but she dragged me back against my will anyways.

Makoto: And now I have to endure the pain of continued existence, and be forced to accept the way she looks at me so enthusiastically, so...

Makoto: So I turned her head around, so she would stop looking at me like that.

whistles
yeesh, makoto.
Zerovirus

Ran: So you're blaming all of this on-

And then Ran feels the woozy head syndrome that seems to come whenever she's about to unlock her memories!
Straw
Holy crap this game doesn't stop dropping big stuff
Zerovirus

Ran: (What, now? What even was the trigger?)

Ran: Asakura...

Ran sways and falls over. Makoto catches her. After a distinct moment of hesitation, but still.
Straw
Guess it's time to find out who Makoto is
nightpool
("Even if the designated victim was Tama, the culprit would still kill her anyways"—was this supposed to be "wasn't Tama"?)
BlobYes 1
Straw
Also idk why exactly, but this feels like a big turning point in the game to me
Zerovirus

Ran: Was it suicide? Makoto, did you-

Ran grabbed tightly to Makoto's arm. The storms of pain roiling through her mind were telling her that, indeed- her guess was inerrant.

Ran: (So, Makoto, you're already...)

and then fadetoblack.
Straw
Since it's the first sign of real conflict between the members of the class
jjjqance
i wonder if ran is intuiting all of this because it reflects her and ann's relationship
Zerovirus
i'd love to see how ran's responsible for tama's death
IRRESPONSIBLE TEENAGER RUNS OVER SUPERCENTENARIAN WITH TRUCK
jjjqance
or the girl who was hinted to be from the future
nightpool
miho
jjjqance
thanks
Zerovirus

On January 17th, 2020, at 6:18 in the afternoon, a female third-year student, from Tokyo Jogakkan Senior High School, standing in the middle of Shibuya Crossing, used a twenty-centimeter-long steel grocery knife to commit suicide by opening her own carotid artery.

nightpool
jesus christ
Zerovirus

At the time, the number of people who were crossing the street was in excess of 3000 people. Countless cellphone cameras recorded the entire process of the girl's slow death from exsanguination.

Ultimately, when paramedic personnel were finally able to reach the scene, the student had already perished.

The recordings were shared all across the internet. Rumors about the deceased student became a hot topic for a time, and the personal details of the deceased, which were meant to be kept secret, became publicly available information.

jjjqance
hm! no indiction yet of ran knowing her
nightpool
huh, rumors x2 combo
Zerovirus

Between the overanalysis of the media, the clickbait platforms which thrived on blood and spectacle, and conversation undertaken by casual bystanders who stood outside the situation, everyone was speculating on her reasonsfor committing suicide.

Zerovirus

And to those who knew her- her family, her classmates, and her friends-, Makoto Asakura was, more or less, a perfect girl.

If it could be said that the motive of the suicidal was despair, and that continued existence was just self-torture, then Makoto Asakura's life, in the eyes of others, could be described as nothing short of an idyllic existence.

Everyone thought that Makoto Asakura's life was one worthy of continuation- and yet she had actively chosen to abandon it.

Zerovirus

The way that Makoto Asakura's values differed so much from others caused Ran Ibuki to perceive that the two of them shared a similar kind of isolation.

And, as for Makoto Asakura herself, she'd been contemplating the decision to commit suicide for quite a long time. She worked quite hard to find a reason not to die.

So she asked others what the purpose of living was. Most of the answers she received were some variant on consumerist hedonism, or maybe setting some kind of lofty life-goal for herself.

But she was unable to feel any meaning in any of them.

Zerovirus

She was lacking in any sort of religious or spiritual faith, and neither relied on nor was relied on by anyone. Living for the sake of her family or her friends wasn't enough to justify her continuation.

Makoto never expressed what she was really thinking, deep down. There was no meaning in letting others know about her inner nihilism. Similarly, there was no meaning in pointing out the pointlessness of the actions of others, either.

Zerovirus

Finally, on that day, Makoto Asakura had been sent by her family to pick up a custom-made knife by some relatives in Shibuya, and while traveling through the Shibuya Crossing, she happened to look up and see, on the giant LED screens, a livestream of some famous chef making sashimi.

When the camera fixed itself upon the fish's head, the giant eye of the fish, blindly and unfocusedly staring out into space, had an unexpectedly provocative effect on Makoto's heart, and so she took out the knife and cut her own neck.

nightpool
man, this is really sad I'm bummed, folks.
Zerovirus

Ran felt like she and Makoto were on the same road; Makoto had simply reached the end sooner than Ran.

Because of this, Ran decided that she would assume that the incompatibility between her values and that of the people around her was just a constant of life, and redoubled her efforts to sink deeper into Ann's embrace with even more determination.

Ann Sakura's existence allowed Ran Ibuki to believe, with certainty, that Ran Ibuki would never take the same road as Makoto Asakura.

fade to black.
okay!!!
that! was a scene!!!
i think i need to put some fucking CONTENT WARNINGS on this fucking playthrough!!!
secondly: okay, so... okay, ran, you didn't actually know makoto asakura, at all.
jjjqance
ran!! u ... need some help!!
Zerovirus
she wasn't a personal friend or anything. as far as this scene makes it look she was a random person you saw a video of on the internet.
that qualifies her to show up in your... this... whatever this is?
she must have had a huge effect on you despite neither of you even knowing each other.
jjjqance
wait until makoto finds out the real reason she's being kept alive
Zerovirus
back to reality.

the entry on makoto asakura has been updated YEAH I SURE BET IT HAS!!!

Zerovirus
alright, let's see the update. the newly appended information is as follows:

Makoto Asakura's parents invested a large amount of money into the Tokyo Gokakkan, with the intention of making it a high-school to rival the Ochabi Institute. Makoto Asakura, who was studying in high school at the time, also attracted everyone's gaze, with her perfect behavior and demeanor to answer all the expectations laid upon her. For this reason, after her suicide, nobody knew what motivated her to seek death.

Makoto's story ultimately became endlessly exaggerated in the retelling, until it birthed the urban legend known as the "Philosopher of Despair".

Zerovirus
ran's enjoyment of sashimi was indirectly economically responsible for the existence of the fish sashimi video. that must be it.
god, fuck, just,
what a completely downer scene.
i feel like the wind's going out of my sails a bit. that's just so bleak. fuck.
jjjqance
and this is only the second backstory
Zerovirus
so is that the unifying theme here, though??
Straw
I was expecting Tama to be revived, followed by a happy Tama / Makoto reunion
And then we got that
Zerovirus
everyone's the centerpiece of a rumor of some kind, and also known to ran?
Straw
Rumor theory is interesting
Zerovirus
...i seriously need to put content warnings on this story after i finish up for today...
Straw
I think that everyone is definitely important to Ran, and probably also dead
jjjqance
hrm. i guess ran relating to asakura happen purely through the rumors, too
Benedict
this is upping the likelihood that koizumi killed herself, and wasn't like killed by her parents or something
jjjqance
it's not even clear the story we got was reliable narration. if it was all from ran's POV, then everything ran said about makoto's motives would have just been her own guesswork from the rumors
Zerovirus
Ran wakes up, Makoto is watching her. Makoto is not particularly inclined to help Ran up off the floor, so Ran picks herself up.
Zerovirus

Ran: (Just like the situation with Koizumi-sensei, I already knew about Makoto, and she's even already died?)

Ran: (But she's not only just perfectly alive here, I even saw a lot of things in those memories that were things that only Makoto herself ought to know.

Ran: (Just who is it that's showing me these things? And with Makoto herself being here, those memories must be the truth, right.)

Ran: ...Just had a bit of headache. Everything's fine now. Please continue speaking.

Makoto: I don't have anything more to say.

Ran: I think you should give yourself and Indou a chance. She can give you the meaning you want.

Ran: (Is there even a point? The two of them are already long dead, aren't they?)

Ran: You say you hate the way she looks at you, but Indou's gaze can't be the same as that of a fish, right.

Ran: (What am I even doing? There's no way that Asakura's destiny of suicide can be changed, just like how it doesn't matter how much resolve Koizumi-sensei builds up for herself.)

Makoto: A- what? A fish?

Zerovirus

Makoto: Also, the more positive things you say about Tama Indou, the less it makes me ever want to see her again.

Makoto: She has everything that I wish I had. Tama Indou lives in excitement and discovery of the new every single day, she enjoys the pleasures of just being alive every single day, and she even has the temerity to try to share these things with me, and she's even somehow found the meaning of life off of me.

Makoto was speaking faster and faster, and her breathing was becoming more and more rapid.

Makoto: Even after I killed myself so I could escape her torment, she still brought me back to life.

Ran: She just wants to share the things that make her happy, to make you happy as well, doesn't she?

Makoto: I suppose there was a certain period where I was contemplating how to make Tama Indou die as painfully as possible. In that sense I suppose I found a life-goal, for a while.

Makoto: Look, I know what kind of person Tama Indou is, in you all's eyes. But in mine, every single move and action she makes is filled with nothing but the most absolute malevolence towards me.

jeezus fuck makoto wow.
nightpool
ran have you tried giving makoto a hug
do we think that would help
jjjqance
i'm not sure
nightpool
i mean, it's helped with all of the other girls so far
Benedict
i get the sense hugs have been tried and hugs did not help
jjjqance
she would probably perceive it as tama-like behavior
nightpool
counterpoint: this is a ran-dating-sim pocket dimension
jjjqance
tru
Zerovirus

Ran: Have you tried telling her these things?

Makoto: Do you think Tama would understand my feelings?

Ran: That's not the point. Look, if you're sick of breathing and want to take a hike, I'm not going to stop you, but I'm not just going to let you drag Tama down with you.

Makoto did not answer Ran.

Ran: Now that you've vented yourself on Tama, once she comes back, have a proper conversation with her, alright? At least apologize to her. I for one believe she'll take your frustrations seriously.

Ran: (And what would the point be, even if she does take them seriously? The two of them are already dead, there's no point to their relationship no matter how much it improves.)

nightpool
aww, ran, you can't think like that
learn some utilitarianism, babe
Zerovirus

Makoto laid her hands on the edge of the steel frame of the bed, and looked at Tama Indou's corpse. It was the first time she'd looked directly at Tama since Ran had called her to the morgue.

Makoto: I doubt it'll go the way you want it to. You know what what Tama's going to say to me as soon as she wakes up?

Ran: What?

Makoto walked towards the door of the morgue, and pushed it open.

Makoto: Why don't you listen in my stead.

Ran: Alright, then. The killer of Tama Indou was Makoto Asakura.

Makoto: I confess to being the culprit. Your reasoning was accurate.

After finishing that sentence, Makoto Asakura closed the door and left the morgue.

Aaaaand Tama has begun regenerating!
Tama's bed starts shaking as Tama's head un-twists itself. The muscles of the neck unfurl and rearrange themselves, allowing Ran to see the organs that they concealed.

It was like watching a suspension bridge's steel cables arrange themselves in parallel- though the speed of the regeneration didn't seem as quick as with Ann's.

Zerovirus
And then, halfway through the regeneration, Tama opens her eyes.

Her consciousness had been restored before her wounds had.

Even while the regeneration was still underway, tears flowed from Tama's eyes. She opened her mouth and tried to speak, but couldn't- her vocal cords were still in the process of regrowing themselves.

Zerovirus
Ran rushes over to try to- help, or comfort her, or do something at all. Tama reaches out for her, crying, and- still regenerating- falls off the steel morgue rack. Ran catches her.
THEN her vocal cords finally regenerate, and just in time, because now Tama can start screaming in agony.
Straw
Huh, new CG
Zerovirus
Y'know, folks, I feel like this deathgame isn't as fun as it was made out to be.
nightpool
i called that, too. although i didn't quite get the direction of unhappiness right.
Zerovirus
Jesus fucking christ, some of these girls got chopped up into body parts??
nightpool
well tama did that, to be fair
she thought it would be fun, i think.
jjjqance
oh so this is where the suffering is
Zerovirus

Ran: (Asakura better properly apologize to Tama, later.)

Straw
Maybe Makoto made it so the resurrection would be painful, but it normally isn’t
Badewell
I'd forgotten the regeneration rules and thought that the suffering would be that Tama was listening to the entire thing, but nah this is pretty bad too
Zerovirus

Ran could hear the sounds of regrowing flesh right next to her ears. Tama finally stopped screaming, and began heaving deep breaths. Her grasp on Ran's back relaxed slightly, but she still apparently had no intentions of letting go.

Ran: Tama, it's okay, you can grab me as tightly as you need to-

Tama was more than willing to accept Ran's invitation, and her fingers clutched tightly to Ran once again.

After a long, long time, the morgue fell silent, leaving only Tama's quiet gasps.

Ran: Does it still hurt?

Tama shook her head, let her hands go, and leaned back slightly. Ran didn't immediately let her go, and continued supporting Tama in her lap.

Tama: ...It's much better. Thank you, Ibuki-san.

Said Tama with pale, white lips.

Benedict
jesus
eyeball couldn't invest in some anesthesia?
Zerovirus

Tama: Where's Asakura-san? You pointed her out as the culprit here, didn't you?

Ran: She left.

Tama: Oh, no. She must be mad at me. I have to go and apologize to her, quickly.

Tama immediately began struggling in Ran's lap, trying to stand up, but Ran pushed her right back down.

yeah no you aren't going anywhere tama sit the fuck back down there's a lot you need to know
jjjqance
tama U are not gonna apologize to HER
jjjqance
"my girlfriend twisted my neck and made sure i would feel it when i recuperated in a death murder game, and she says it's because i mean nothing to her. AITA?"
Zerovirus

Ran: The fuck do you mean, apologize? The way Asakura treated you, she should be the one apologizing to you.

Tama: Absolutely not! Asakura-san can do anything she likes to me, but when she was twisting my head, I surely made an unsightly expression, and even got blood on Asakura-san's face.

oh, right. terminal feudal peasant maidservant syndrome. fuck.

Tama was starting to cry again. She hadn't even seemed this tense even when her wounds were regenerating.

Tama: Asakura-san must be feeling quite unwell. I have to go and apologize quickly to her.

Ran:...

Ran: You really mustn't apologize to her.

Tama: But...

Ran: (No wonder Asakura doesn't want to see Tama's face. If Tama showed up and immediately started apologizing to Asakura, I bet she'd start vomiting blood from her sheer loathing.)

Zerovirus

Ran: Look, if you apologize, you're going to put Asakura in a lot of pain. What you need to do right now is to go up to her, point your finger at her face, and start screaming at her, 'how could you do something like that to me?!', something like that.

Ran: And then maybe ignore her for a day or two. That'll probably please her the most.

Tama: Why? I don't get it...

nightpool
I feel like things go a little deeper here then "terminal feudal peasant maidservant syndrome"
it's a vicious cycle
Benedict
will this lead to... self-awareness from ran ibuki? some kind of perception that absurd fawning indulgence towards people with 'sakura' in their name is perhaps unwelcome to said sakuras?
jjjqance
no, probably not
Benedict
yeah.
jjjqance
"i need to love miss sakura even more, to show her that i won't treat her like asakura treated tama"
Zerovirus

Ran: Just- take my word for it, Asakura told me that was what she wanted while you were dead. She wanted you to do those things.

Tama, suspicious: ...Did Asakura-san really say that?

Ran nodded her head with as much confidence as she could.

Tama: Very well, I understand. Since it's something that Asakura-san told me to do, then I'll do as she says.

Tama picked herself off the ground and dusted off her hospital gown.

Tama: And, if after I say that, Asakura-san gets mad at me, then, um, I shouldn't say just what I'll do to you, Ibuki-san...

Ran: (NOPE NOPE NOPE Tama you are way too scary for me.)

Ran: T-trust me! Asakura isn't the kind of smallhearted person to get so worked up over something like this! It'll go fine!

Benedict
risky play here, ran
Zerovirus

Tama: ...Do I really have the right to do something like scream at Asakura-san, though?

Ran: It's because you're like this that Asakura hopes that you can change yourself. Surely you understand, as well; having an inferiority complex isn't a good thing.

Tama jumped in shock a little, even though, frankly, it was completely obvious to everybody, including Ran.

Tama: Okay, I understand, I'll try it, then.

fade to black.
i think
this is the time for me to stop.
nightpool
Y'ALL..........
Zerovirus
this has been going on real long and i'm just glad to be done with the case.
i don't know what to title this one. part of me is thinking i eschew all humor and go straight for CONTENT WARNING: EXPLICIT DEPICTIONS OF SUICIDE THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
because, fuck.
this is a step up from anything we've had in this game so far.
nightpool
I'll put a warning on the log viewer page when i get a sec
and i'll mention it in the message when i post the link.
Zerovirus
actual semi-facetious title: 'turns out murdergames aren't always lighthearted fun'
good fucking night folks
nightpool
good night, zero. thanks for translating
that took a lot out of me emotionally just reading that, I can't imagine it was very fun for you
nightpool
sleep well
jjjqance
god yeah
i've been waiting for the shoe to drop in the sense of "what's the conflict here if it's just a fun murder game"
Benedict
y'know, it's always been kind of weird that this class sort of blithely accepts the murders and being murdered that keep happening, like yeah they basically want this to happen, why not, it's not a big deal
but i'm starting to think maybe it's not that weird
like maybe they're not being brainwashed into being okay with it so much as being selected for being okay with it
avunvain
god, read that after the fact
and like
these kids are not okay.
nightpool
they are extremely not okay :(
Miho and Aya's relationship troubles seem like, refreshingly straightforward and normal now.
avunvain
which i suspect means
they're going to be significantly worse than they appear at first blush
nightpool
that's a depressing thought! honestly, it feels hard to say either way. maybe the next night-time scene will be Notebook-chan chewing eyeball out over the doom and gloom, and then we get a more fun case.
..... probably this has significantly increased the chance of [tragic backstory] for Ann though :(
avunvain
yeah odds are high
that last question in the stat assignment quiz...
it feels fairly clear!
jjjqance
I wonder what's going on with sai
Zerovirus
Dead imouto, probably. My current expectations for sai are ‘little sister wound up drowning because she went out swimming on her own and sai blames herself for teaching her to swim, which is why she spends so much time swimming, because sai is on some level still stuck in that last moment where she tried to swim out and save her sister and failed’.
That’s my best guess based on the way this story is shaping up.
Zerovirus
I really hope this is the case.
I mean, despite the framing of the murders as fun, neither murder has actually been fun for our detective, so far.
jjjqance
hm. nobody really ever said it was fun, admittedly
like in the first murder, they just seemed nonchalant about it
actually i take it back. they were giggling about crazy murder methods and so forth
nightpool
okay so this is just COMPLETELY off the wall and i have 0% expectation that it's actually but like, what if Ran is Sai's dead sister.
in some sort of alternate timeline / parallel universe shenanigans.
Benedict
i'm expecting at least one character to be a direct relation of ran's, yeah
someone's gotta secretly be her mom
avunvain
it seems like everyone here has been a formative influence on ran in some way
i don't imagine ran's the dead sister because
being dead would kind of preclude all the rest of the formative experiences?
or, i guess, she could be the sister but sai doesn't actually know she's alive
nightpool
I think it would just be a very funny reversal to go from "Wow all of these people are dead versions of people i know. That's strange. I wonder who Sai is" to "oh my god i'm the dead person to Sai".
Benedict
yeah- ran is likely also dead or something, and however that happened it probably wasn't just like, drowning or whatever
some kinda fucked up SCP shit had to happen to her first
nightpool
right no this would be like, Sai is from a timeline where Ran died as a kid or something
jjjqance
there's a hierarchy of people being formative dead people to other people and guess what ran. you're not at the top
avunvain
or the nature of this time vortex situation is, like, making sai forget that her sister is alive and standing there and kind of a dick to her
marzipanWhale
Caught up again. Someone with medical knowledge please correct me on this, but won't a choked out person wake up pretty quickly when you stop choking them? Unless they go into coma, but then I thought the issue would be the opposite, that the patient would die pretty quickly if left to themselves. Also aren't tarps made of plastic and really bad at cleaning up mud?
jjjqance
Did the locked cabinet ever come into play? I think it didn't, right?
marzipanWhale
It didn't.
nightpool
The broken cabinet led to Ran getting killed in a recall when she went to the tool room to get something to fix it. ... did we ever get explicit confirmation that Makoto killed us while getting the pipe wrench, though? Or did Ran just assume that? The timeline still seems to me like it doesn't quite match up
Zerovirus
ran does seem to believe it, but it's not like you can exactly get makoto to confess to something she didn't actually physically do in real life
'hey you killed me when i was checking out the tool closet while you were getting the pipe wrench' 'that... didn't happen.' 'okay but if it did happen you would totally have killed me.' '????????'
nightpool
lmao true enough
avunvain
"i mean i would have"
jjjqance
ugh damn. it looks like makoto's shoes were the one pair of shoes we didn't have a pic of
Benedict
i wonder if they did that on purpose
jjjqance
i think zero indicated it's just an accident of which screenshots he managed to grab?
Zerovirus
yeah. there's- there HAS to have been a makoto shot i refuse to believe there wasn't a single makoto shot
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jjjqance
anyway. i continue to believe that ran getting killed in that recall was unrelated to the tama case